LNER Coach Association

Registered Charity no.1095337


The LNER Coach Association was formed in 1980 with the objectives of obtaining, restoring and operating a collection of ex-LNER and / or constituent companies vehicles. It also provides an umbrella organisation for members with privately owned LNER and / or constituent companies vehicles for use on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway.

The LNERCA warmly welcomes new members to support us for which a regular Newsletter is supplied. Membership also confers travel facilities on the NYMR. In addition, if anyone wishes to help with a donation towards a particular carriage, this is much appreciated. We welcome anyone who would like to come along and lend a hand - woodworking, painting, electrical, metalwork and general help are all disciplines we offer - something for everyone. Please ring Murray Brown on Tel. 01733 578000 if you have any inquiries.  

Latest News - January 22nd 2016


Thompson Brake Guard (BG) E110
This recently arrived carriage (from Grosmont) was moved onto the turntable in Pickering yard so that it could be shunted adjacent to the LNERCA’s workshop. The LNERCA thanks C&W Supervisor, Jerry Hawley, for undertaking this shunt.
First of all, a concerted effort was made to clear out unwanted items, the largest of which were a pile of extremely poor quality Mk.1 TSO seats. Once swept out, four gangway ends previously stored in the workshop were lifted into the BG and are now spread along the floor. There is still a large amount of room in which to store components once stripping starts on CK 18477.

East Coast Joint Stock Restaurant Third No. 189
Further sections of the lower body have had defective (split) pillars removed and replaced by new hardwood ones.

Thompson Third Corridor (TK) 1623
Work continues of gangway end components. The 8 thin strips of metal some 8ft tall and which resemble tall hoops and which hold the gangway bellows have been painted and work has started in fixing on the bellows. The bellows are of new material (Neoprene) and were sown by volunteers after many tribulations.

LNERCA workshop
As part of the huge tidy-up of the workshop, four gangway ends were manhandled slowly out of the side door and then slid up planks into the BG. This has released a considerable amount of space and the workshop then received an extensive sweep. It really is looking far tidier and is becoming capable of being used once again as a workshop.


Previous News


A new adventure
On December 28, a convoy made its way slowly from Grosmont to Pickering. Its consist was two unique Thompson-designed carriages. Brake Guard (BG) No. E110 and Composite Corridor (CK) No. 18477.
With sister Thompson TK No. 1623 well on the way to completion and planned entry into service this year, it is time to embark on the next major project, this being the rebuild of 18477. It hasn’t carried passengers for 44 years.
Regrettably, the BG was not shunted into Pickering yard where it had been agreed it could stay for a week between Christmas the New Year to enable it to be sorted. Instead, it was left in the Long Siding at Pickering – a disappointment for the members who had come especially to do this work.

CK 18477: This carriage arrived by rail from York in June 1969. It was used for members’ specials from Grosmont to Summit for three years until stopped for body repairs in 1972. It hasn’t run since. 18477 is in a poor condition, especially the corridor side framing, but at least the carriage is virtually complete. It was 100% complete until only recently when thieves vandalized it and stole some of the unique sliding windows whilst it was stored alongside Grosmont MPD. Although one was recovered, we still are short of one and this will need specially making.

BG E110: So what’s to do with this humble, unloved to many, BG? The fact is that all LNER trains on the main line included a BG in its consist. The LNERCA has a collection policy and tries to acquire and restore representative types of carriage. The problem faced on the NYMR is that with the growth of the railway to the extent it has, this means that humping around a 32-ton empty BG just to carry a guard is not encouraged. Much preferred by the hierarchy is a 64-seat TTO.
However, BGs can earn their keep in other ways – and storage is the key factor here. No. E110 once earned its keep as a Disco carriage rocking to the sounds of Queen and Co. in the late 1970s. Discarded, as is so often the case, despite its uniqueness, the LNERCA stepped in and bought this BG from the NYMR for a token £1. It is being brought to Pickering so that components removed from 18477 can be labelled and stored in No. E110, rather than dumping piles of parts all around the Atkins shed.
There is another benefit to it coming to Pickering – and that is that it can receive well deserved attention. Some 24 years back, one side was repanelled and the opportunity might well arise for the second side to be similarly treated. Major attention is required to its double doors.
Of course, E110 could one day be the star of the show in that it can provide the means to the LNERCA forming the only Thompson-designed trainset in preservation, complete with Mr Edward Thompson’s finest creation – the B1 - at its head.
E110 was withdrawn from York on November 3, 1973.

East Coast Joint Stock Restaurant Third No. 189
A start has been made on replacing damaged frame sections on the lower body of 189. Several items of this original 1894 dated timber were in need of renewal due to cracking. New hardwood sections have been planed to size on Andrew Daniel’s workshop and duly fitted.
Meanwhile the corroded knee-irons, the right-angled brackets which add strength to the body, have been refettled by Dave Jakeman, one of the helpful C&W staff. Once primed, undercoated and top coated, they will be refitted with new stainless steel bolts.
The remaining huge pile of stored new roof panelling in No. 189 was removed before the New Year and placed underneath the carriage in a way to allow the coach to be rolled over it. This now empties the carriage.

LNERCA workshop
Some long-overdue attention has been given to the workshop, situated near High Mill crossing. This time, a concerted effort has been made to tidy it and, in the process, remove vast amounts of detritus, accumulated over decades. The workbench tops are now clear.




LNER Fish Van No. E75169
The NYMR C&W department kindly shunted out the Fish Van from the Long Siding at Pickering and placed it in front of the Atkins shed. All the removed components were placed inside – these including the second new headstock which was brought back from the p.way depot at New Bridge where it had been drilled. 
On December 17, E75169 was taken to DC Engineering, Shildon by Moveright International where welding repairs are to be effected. In addition, once the roof section has been taken down, the underframe is to be shotblasted, primed, undercoated and top coated.

Thompson Third Corridor (TK) No. 1623
For the first time in over 30 years, one of the toilets has seen its first flush. (When the carriage was bought from departmental use, one of the toilets had already been removed). Indeed, after modifications, not only does the toilet flush but, so reports advise, the loo would easily pass as a bidet! Credit goes to Gordon Wells for achieving this notable milestone, but one which will not win awards!

Gresley Corridor Brake Third No. 3669
On Thursday December 3, No. 3669 left the NYMR for York to take part in the Flying Scotsman exhibition at the NRM, York.

GNR saloon No. 3087
This popular carriage, often to be seen in its observation saloon duty at the southern end of the LNER set, has just been revarnishing, courtesy of the C&W painter. It also now sports lining. For the first time, it is to carry identification – previously it was an anonymous carriage. It now sports ‘LNER’ and ‘43087’. It was always hitherto known as the GNR saloon 3087 – it has now become the LNER saloon 43087.

Brass in pocket
We have taken delivery of a quantity of brass vestibule door catches from Procast, the well-known locomotive nameplate and worksplate foundry. One was removed from the vestibule of TTO 56856 in order to make a pattern for the batch. We will be needing several for future restorations and now have some for sale as well.


Thompson Third Corridor (TK) No.1623
The heaters are now installed within the seven compartments (underneath the seats) and plumbing work has progressed in the toilets.
The manufacturer of the LNER-designed lampshades has taken delivery of the special white glass and production of 30 lampshades is underway.

Thompson Composite Corridor (CK) No. 18477
We have had confirmation from the NYMR Operating Department that the intention is to move 18477 and BG E110 to Pickering as a special move on December 28. To make room at Pickering, two stored carriages, TK 3291 and TTO 43632 will be making the opposite journey to the Grosmont shed storage sidings.
This is the first stage towards starting work on 18477 proper – it will need drying out and the corridor side framing stripped to allow the replacement sections – already machined by Andrew Daniel - to be lifted into place.

East Coast Joint Stock Restaurant Third No. 189
Just as a final inspection of the shortened underframe was to be made at Shildon, came the news that poor quality bolts had been supplied which had been rejected by Multi Tal – now renamed DC Engineering. A replacement set of bolts is being provided which moves the underframe to near finished condition. Prior to its departure from Shildon a number of brackets are to be welded onto the underframe – these will be used in association with the large bolts which hold the body onto the underframe. A detailed inspection of the body is to be made at Pickering to ascertain where these bolts will be fitted – and the information gleaned passed onto Shildon.
Meanwhile at Pickering, further areas of woodwork are being stripped of the flaking/lifted varnish back to bare wood preparatory to the full treatment of gold size and ten coats of vanish.

LNER Fish Van E75169
Two quotes to undertake the welding repairs are being procured – one from a local engineering firm in Pickering and the other from the Shildon contractor engaged to fabricate the underframe for 189 – DC Engineering.
Recent research has unearthed an undiscovered fact – it appears that E75169 was, in fact, used as a departmental vehicle and not just as an Internal User vehicle (i.e. it didn’t move from its location in Doncaster Works).  The van was used to move locomotive stores between Cambridge, March and Doncaster Works – but there is so far no evidence that it carried a departmental number of ADE 75169.

Knock knock
Who’s there? You are! If you in Pickering, please drop in at the Atkins shed alongside the car park – we will gladly show you round and you can also see the Wagon Group’s splendid efforts on the Esso tanker and LNER brakevan.
Better still, if you fancy lending a hand, we will grab it with enthusiasm – we have plenty of varied activity to suit all abilities – Thursdays and weekends are the days to consider.




Thompson Third Corridor (TK) No.1623
Whilst waiting its turn to be lifted in the Pickering C&W workshop to allow its new steam pipe to be fabricated and fitted, work continues in the Atkins shed on smaller outstanding jobs. These include painting brake rodding and repairing damaged moquette due to water ingress.

Thompson Composite Corridor (CK) No. 18477
The LNERCA’s joiner, Andrew Daniel, has completed the machining and fabrication of the three sections of framing, all to be fitted to the corridor side of this CK – once it has been brought up from Grosmont to Pickering. Meanwhile, the framing is being stored in Mr Daniel’s workshop.

East Coast Joint Stock Restaurant Third No. 189
The replacement shortened underframe, with new solebars welded onto the sides, is just about ready to be returned from Multi-Tal, Shildon. Various jobs will then be undertaken on it – fitting of certain components – before the interesting task of moving the body of No. 189 takes place. Present indications are that the body will be slowly moved lengthways using rollers onto the new underframe. A similar exercise undertaken on the Severn Valley Railway has provided inspiration!

LNER Fish Van E75169
An inspection of 75169 in the Long Siding, Pickering, by the NYMR’s T&RS Manager, Ian Foot, was conducted on October 21. This is to allow a specification to be prepared for action by a local engineering firm to undertake necessary welding. It has been decided that the body should be removed to facilitate easier access and allow the roof to be repaired whilst on the ground. The NYMR’s Education Officer has expressed considerable enthusiasm for this restoration project, recognizing the importance of the historical relevancy to the line’s history. This Fish Van was one of the last ones in revenue-earning service (as opposed to departmental use) and, although we cannot prove it, is almost certainly one of those used to and from Whitby.

Do come in
A steady stream of visitors were shown round No. 189 during the annual 1940s War Time Weekend on October 16-18 and were genuinely enthralled at seeing the 1894-built Victorian Restaurant Car.




Thompson Third Corridor (TK) No.1623
With the carriage now sitting on its overhauled bogies, it is parked back in its now-usual location – the Beck Siding at Pickering. Its next move will be back into the C&W workshop to be lifted again to allow its new steam pipe to be fabricated, trial fitted, installed, with all the drop pipes from the compartment heaters duly connected.

A welcome piece of news to report is that after much frustration, anguish and patience, the first of the gangway bellows has been cut, glued and machined. This really has proved a sticking point, literally, as the sowing machine needle became stuck in the Neoprene material (thick rubber). Commended for his perseverance is Marcus Woodcock.

Thompson Composite Corridor (CK) No. 18477
Another visit by the LNERCA’s joiner, Andrew Daniel, too place to Grosmont on Friday 17th September to take measurements of the oval window framing – the trademark of the Thompson carriage. For this, plywood pieces were carefully help in position whilst a open drawing of the total outline was made. Following this visit, the various sections of the oval windows for the corridor side of 18477 have been machined out of hardwood (Sapele) and assembled. In addition, new section of bodyside framing has also been machined and fabricated.
A request has been made to the NYMR’s C&W Supervisor to move both CK 18477 and Thompson BG E110 to Pickering. However, forecasting the usual excuse of shortage of space, the LNERCA is proposing that two vehicles make the opposite move. In this respect, long-stored TK 3291 and TTO 43632 (destined to be converted for disabled passengers) have been suggested.

East Coast Joint Stock Restaurant Third No. 189
With teak panels on the west side (car park side) now being removed, residual bits of glue blocks have been removed by David Young who made the trek from Staines to help at the Working Weekend. By the end of the two-day stint, all panels had been removed from the west side of 189. Once taken down, all surviving bits of the broken glue blocks were removed.
John Boddy, one of the longest serving volunteers on the NYMR, has been busy stripping off the residual varnish from the removed panels. Those which had splits are being expertly repaired.
Elsewhere, a start was made on removing the knee irons, the right-angled brackets which gives added strength to the frame . . . or should do, because in several instances, and somewhat incredibly, the horizontal part of the knee iron does not even sit on the bottom rail to which they are bolted. There are visible gaps between the bottom of the knee iron and the wooden beam. Unfortunately, steel coach bolts have been used previously and these, inevitably, are severely corroded. When these knee irons are replaced after refurbishing, stainless steel bolts will be used and covered in underseal when assembled.

LNER Fish Van E75169
Not often mentioned on our website is our unique Fish Van. The official records show it broken up at Doncaster Works in 1972, but we can prove otherwise! A new suggestion to speed its return to service is to move it to a local metal fabrication business in Pickering whose staff have recently undertaken wagon repairs, including welding. The van, once finished, will become part of the NYMR’s Goods Train as well as housing the LNERCA’s heavier spares, such as gangway connections.

Atkins shed transformed
The weekend of September 26th/27th saw a mass movement of parts, spares, wooden off-cuts, boxes and cupboards to make way for ‘new’ shelving. This was installed alongside the west side of the building (nearest the lines) and then rapidly filled with all the plethora of parts. The whole of the west side was swept and later vacuumed, enormous amounts of dust being removed. This has given the building a huge and timely facelift in terms of tidiness.

Hello and welcome
A growing number of visitors regularly enter the Atkins restoration shed – attracted by the professional-looking welcoming ‘A’ board outside. During ‘Coach Week’ a steady stream of visitors saw inside No. 189 and also the work of the Wagon Group overhauling the LMS brakevan and Esso Tanker. Giving outstanding value to the visitors was Malcolm Brown who gave a lot of his time to provide histories and interesting commentary.







The Autumn ‘Coach Week’ was held from August 29th to September 6th and a considerable amount of progress ensued. The popular event attracted members John Boddy, Malcolm Brown, Murray Brown, Marcus Woodcock, Nick Stringer, Paul and Christopher Johnston, David Cullingworth, Gary Lyne, Gordon Wells, Mike Illingworth, Bryan Orange, Peter and Debbie Wilson and sons Christopher and Andrew. NYMR C&W paid staff Keiran Murray and Gordon Neale were also particularly helpful to whom acknowledgments and thanks are bestowed. A selection of images showing work in progress during ‘Coach Week’ is included here.

Thompson Third Corridor (TK) No.1623
A major step forward to this carriage’s completion took place on Tuesday September 8 when it was lifted, the accommodation bogies removed and 1623’s newly overhauled bogies substituted.

The NYMR C&W staff then removed both brake cylinders for inspection. Good news – both are in excellent condition, with no rust anywhere to be seen internally. On removal of the top casing, chalk marks indicating its last overhaul were to be seen – May 5, 1971. The other had a 1969 date – this latter almost certainly co-incided with the carriage’s transfer into departmental use as it last carried passengers in 1968.

A means of successfully fitting the trail lampshade has been found and so the manufacturer has been asked to produce a complete set, comprising 28 plus two spares. This, really, is a major success story after years wondering how the complete arrangement (switch, plastic Bakelite cover and lampshade) could be made from new.

One set-back has been the ingress of water in one of the compartments – this has caused rotting of the seating moquette and also that on the panels below the window. This will necessitate new fabric fitting. To cure the problem (caused by water getting between the window glass and external metal cladding), considerable more brown sealant has been applied. In addition, hairline cracks in the sealant on all other windows has been filled with varnish. A watch is to be kept on 1623’s windows in the interim.

Thompson Composite Corridor (CK) No. 18477
The LNERCA’s joiner, Andrew Daniel, has machined no less than 28 full vertical pillars and 12 half-pillars for use on the corridor side of this unique CK. He is now in the process of machining the tenons which will fit into both the bottom rail which sits on the underframe and the cant rail at the top of the bodyside.

East Coast Joint Stock Restaurant Third No. 189
Major progress to report – all the lower roof boards below the clerestory section have been removed – they were in poor condition and did not butt up to each other. This was an extensive protracted job, entailing sanding off the canvas sealant, then digging out the screw heads and finally undoing each screw.

Inside, all the matchboard panels have been removed exposing what was left of the glue blocks which hold the teak panels onto the frame. Many of these had already dropped off and many more fell away when tapped. After carefully chiseling those where the glue remained obstinate, all the panels on the east side of the carriage (the railway side as opposed to the car park side) were carefully removed. These will now have any remaining varnish removed, sanded, repaired where necessary (those with cracks) and the long process of re-varnishing undertaken in due course.
Finally, the metal coverings on the gangway ends were removed from both ends of the carriage.

LNERCA workshop
Another job undertaken during the Autumn ‘Coach Week’ was the replacement of the damaged plastic corrugated roof panel on the workshop at High Mill crossing at the end of Pickering yard. This had been smashed by thieves in one of the three raids from which the LNERCA has suffered.  Quotes have been received to fit plastic ship lat sheets on the top of the existing wooden ship lat. This will reduce maintenance and protect the wood.

Gresley TTO No. 56856
Stopped for some months awaiting replacement wheelsets, as soon as 1623 was re-united with its own overhauled bogies, the displaced accommodation bogies will allow 56856 to be re-wheeled using the wheelsets from the stored (in Pickering’s Long Siding) Gresley TTO 43632. This work is now in progress by the NYMR’s C&W staff. It will allow 56856 to re-enter service with the LNER set and so add another 64 seats.

Hello and welcome
A growing number of visitors regularly enter the Atkins restoration shed – attracted by the professional- looking welcoming ‘A’ board outside. During ‘Coach Week’ a steady stream of visitors saw inside No. 189 and also the work of the Wagon Group overhauling the LMS brakevan and Esso Tanker. Giving outstanding value to the visitors was Malcolm Brown who gave a lot of his time to provide histories and interesting commentary.






Thompson Third Corridor (TK) No.1623
All the compartment toggle switches have been wired in – after years of dangling wires, all have disappeared. This just leaves the fitting of the lampshades. In this respect, the first one  - a trial – is just about ready for inspection. These are being manufactured to the original LNER drawing by a Suffolk firm.

One bogie has now been fully completed in terms of modifying it to take the BR Mk.1 brake shoes. This was completed on Sunday August 9. The second bogie is now receiving attention.
Once completed, 1623 will be moved into the C&W workshop for its accommodation bogies to be replaced by its own overhauled bogies.

Gresley Tourist Third Open (TTO) No. 56856
This carriage has been awaiting wheelset replcements – these are coming from the long-stored NYMR-owned Gresley TTO No. 43632 which is destined to be converted to take wheelchairs, the subject of a grant application in due course.

Gresley Brake Third Corridor No. 3669
Now in public service and much admired by the public who make a beeline for it.

East Coast Joint Stock Restaurant Third No. 189
All the main teak panels on the ‘railway’ side (east) have been stripped to bare wood.

Thompson Composite Corridor (CK) No. 18477
The NYMR’s C&W Supervisor has been asked to arrange movement to Pickering, along with unique Thompson BG E110. This latter vehicle will be the stores carriage for all the components removed from 18477. It will also allow E110 itself to be tidied up, as well as smartened up.




Whitby here we come!

The application by the NYMR on our behalf to seek a derogation to allow the LNER set to run to Whitby and also on the Esk Valley to Battersby has been granted by the Office of Rail and Road (ORR). The LNERCA is pleased to acknowledge the efforts of Head of Traction and Rolling Stock, Phil Crawshaw and Traction & Rolling Stock Manager, Ian Foot for their efforts in dealing with the protracted negotiations.
The carriages involved are TTO 23956, TTO 56856, RB 641, BTO 43567, BTK 3669, RF 43654 and GNR saloon 3087. It will be some time before all these carriages are brought up to the standards required and saloon 3087 is likely to be the first to be completed, thus enabling charter bookings to and from Whitby to be accepted.
There is one omission from the listing, that of Thompson TK 1623. We understand that this is being treated differently from the others in that it is steel-panelled and is thus being regarded as a ‘Mk.1’ vehicle. Registration is anticipated in due course.
The derogation is a major achievement and milestone as, hitherto, unless there were ‘grandfather rights’, it was Network Rail’s policy to preclude wooden-bodied vehicles from running on the national system. In recent times, there had been exceptions, eg, the GWR steam Autocoach.
There are several caveats to the derogation, including limited to 25mph. The NYMR will now plan the work necessary for the full registration to be achieved.

Thompson Third Corridor (TK) No.1623
It is heartening to report that the installation of the compartment shoulder lights has now taken place. Each toggle switch was dismantled in order for the internal wiring to be fitted, then the complete switch – all 28 of them – have been screwed into place. The next job entails connecting the two wires which protrude through the compartment wall into each switch – the first two were completed on July 16.
Meanwhile, in Essex, the first of the specially made lampshades for these switches is nearly ready. These are being manufactured in accordance with the LNER drawing.
The procurement of the complete shoulder light and lampshade was so easily going to the showstopper – we had no idea where replacements could be obtained and it has taken months to reach this stage. It is the LNERCA’s pleasure to record the intervention, enthusiasm and time spent of making all 28 of the toggle switches by Blacksmith Charlie Collett of Cirencester, Glos, who trades under the delightful name of ‘The Grumpy Blacksmith’.
Still on 1623, the toilets are nearing completion, with only the beading left to finish and the down pipes to the bowl to install.

Gresley Brake Third Corridor No. 3669
The countdown is on as 3669 is about to be placed into service – probably w/c July 20. Small finishing jobs are in hand, one frustrating one of which has been to cure a leaking toilet cistern; frustrating in that it did not leak previously. Clearly, we are using the wrong sort of water!
Its entry into service will be a magnificent achievement – an unbelievable transformation from the derelict, gutted ‘wreck’ when Marcus Woodcock first took it on.

East Coast Joint Stock Restaurant Third No. 189
Repairs to the lower roof cantrail is in hand by Andrew Daniel. This involves removing decaying sections and replacing by new.
On the east side (nearest the yard) most of the varnish has been removed from the two bodyside teak panels. This was in poor condition, with much of it ‘blown’ with ingress of damp.
At Shildon, work on shortening the 61’6” Gresley underframe continues. The expertise of an engineering expert who has knowledge of Computer Aided Design (CAD) is most welcome and appreciated by the LNERCA committee. The completed underframe (ex Shildon by Multi-Tal Logistics Ltd) is expected by August after which it will come back to Pickering. The intention is to stable it in Pickering yard, subject to permission by the NYMR’s C&W Supervisor, Jerry Hawley, pending the fitting of the various, many, components.

Thompson Composite Corridor (CK) No. 18477
An inspection was conducted by the LNERCA’s joiner, Andrew Daniel on Thursday July 16 to provide more data concerning the deterioration or otherwise of the framing. The corridor side is far worse than the compartment side and, surprisingly, the bottom rail will not need replacing in its entirety – as was the case with TK 1623.
Coupled to 18477 is the Thompson BG E110. The plan is to use this unique BG to store parts from 18477 when it is stripped, so saving an enormous amount of time looking for components – they will all be in one place.
Both the CK and BG are scheduled to be moved to Pickering fairly soon, provided contractors can deal with the main steam pipe insulation.



East Coast Joint Stock Restaurant Car No. 189

Some internal windows were removed for renovation – these are in excellent condition and it would appear only a sanding a revarnishing is required. Curiously, when removed it is evident that, originally, these were pivoted to open, tell-tale signs of the former recess for the pivoting pins being visible. This raises the question as to whether they should be re-installed to operate as originally intended.
A start has been made on removing the flaking varnishing from one of the intact body panels. Those panels which have splits will be removed, the crack contained by drilling a small hole at the end of the crack, then glued and clamped before sanding and refitting.
Meanwhile the ‘new’ underframe for No. 189’s body is now in three sections at Multi-Tal, Shildon where two sections have been removed at each end with a view to then marrying up the three sections and welding to form one shortened underframe. Needless to say, more work has been found necessary on this underframe to repair corrosion damage sustained during many years in store.
When all this is complete, we will be left with the underframe on which No. 189 is currently sitting. One possibility in the long term to make good use of this underframe is to place on it the body of a Composite Lavatory (CL) carriage body, which has resided on a farm in Scotland for some 50 plus years. The owner is again being contacted, re-affirming our wish to consider the practicalities of whether this LNER non-gangwayed CL might be able to be obtained and transported south.

LNER Fish Van No. E76169

There is a keenness to try and push this rebuilding forward because of this van’s usefulness in being a storage facility – particularly for our larger components which take up so much room in our workshop, eg gangway end.
This van is marooned at the far end of the Long Siding, Pickering, but is due to move to Pickering yard outside the Atkins building as soon as the 21T coal hopper, beautifully renovated by the Pickering Wagon Group, can be moved to Goathland, To facilitate this, the P.Way department has agreed they will move it using the tamper on its next run to Goathland. This will then provide space, outside the Atkins building for E75169 to be parked to permit welding repairs to continue.


The Coach Week held in the last week of May saw progress made on three of the Association’s owned or affiliated carriages:

Brake Third Corridor No. 3669
After the highly successful and enjoyable launch into service on May 9th, the main item needing finishing is the toilet. The LNERCA has a long tradition of having its carriages enter service minus a working toilet and 3669 continued that tradition. However, in a definite non-traditional move, its completion is just about there. Beading and flushing pipe installation are now in hand.

Thompson Third Corridor No. 1623
This 1950-built unique carriage totters towards completion and it has already been decided that it, too, will be launched into service with due ceremony.
The new oval mirrors have arrived, these being fitted in the compartments and toilets.
During the week, its overhauled bogies received further attention by staff from Multi-Tal, Shildon (formerly Rail Restorations North East) and the eight springs (7 refurbished and 1 new) were lifted into place.
Good news to report is that the batch (28, plus spares) of compartment shoulder light fittings comprising a backplate, toggle switch and light bulb holder have been received from a Blacksmith in Gloucestershire.

East Coast Joint Stock Restaurant Third No. 189
This is now the major project as 3669 is all but finished and 1623 will be finished in a few months.
After much stripping of the lower roof fittings and roofboards, a section of poorly repaired lower roof rail was found.  The defective repair contained ‘botch’ replacements of wood, and holes filled with sawdust and glue. Unbelievable.
An expert repair by the LNERCA’s joiner has now rectified this defect.
Meanwhile, internal paneling at the north end (the small sectioned area of the saloon) has been removed so enabling the glue blocks to be chiseled off, though, in many instances, they just fell off when tapped. This is why they are all to be replaced – the wrong type of glue was used when the teak panels were previously fitted into place.
Another lengthy job started has been the removal of the canvas on the lower roof (below the clerestory) and the compound used to bed in the canvas sanded/chiseled off to gain access to the screws which hold the roofboards in place. Many of these boards require replacing, as is obvious when viewed from the inside of 189.
Numerous visitors have been shown round this 1894-survivor.

Worth mentioning is the removal of the huge pile of teak, stored on the east side of the Atkins building. This was hindering free movement of the scaffolding tower. All this teak was man-handled out of the building and placed into the Gresley TTO 43632 which is destined to become a carriage for disabled users, the carriage to be fitted with a pair of widened doors and a toilet for the disabled. This carriage is owned by the NYMR and is to be the subject of a Heritage Lottery Fund bid, with assistance (project management) by the LNERCA.

Gary Lyne wields the hot air gun to melt the sealant on the beading holding the lower roof canvas in place. This is to gain access to the screws holding the beading in place.

A view showing along the top of the lower roof below the clerestory section. The beading covered in black sealant is the one being removed to allow the remains of the roof canvas to be removed – all of this will be renewed in due course.

The new section of rail is pictured in place, replacing a poorly repaired section undertaken when the carriage was in previous ownership.

An internal view of No. 189 showing the Acrow Props holding up the clerestory section – work is in hand to ensure the sagging is corrected. The roof boards have been removed – this allows access to repair the rail at the bottom of the clerestory section. The roof boards will be replaced using tongue and groove boarding.

The saloon section at the north end has had its internal panelling removed to gain access to the glue blocks which hold on the teak panels. The incorrect type of glue has been used and as a result has virtually no adhesive strength in them, often dropping off when tapped.

The two bogies from No. 1623 are now nearing completion of reassembly after full overhaul.  Soon they will be re-united with the carriage.

Looking decidedly better than when it left the NYMR for overhaul by Owen’s at Sheffield, one of the springs is pictured back in place on the bogie. One of the eight springs was beyond redemption and a new one had to be made.

The batch of compartment should light switches have been received from a Gloucestershire blacksmith. It has taken months to sort out this manufacture which could easily have been a show stopper as regards the carriage’s completion. We have produced new brown plastic covers to fit over these switches (replicating the original Bakelite ones) and new lamp shades to the original design are being made.

Launch of BTK 3669
The long-awaited ‘red letter day’ finally came on May 9 when, after 13 years of toil, in the main by three men, £80,000 spent and goodness knows how many thousands of man-hours expended, Brake Third Corridor (BTK) No. 3669 entered service. The event was marked by an invitation to all those who had worked on the carriage and to members of the LNER Coach Association. Sir Nigel Gresley’s grandson, Tim Godfrey, officiated and declared the carriage ‘ready for service’ by cutting a ribbon.
Two runs were made between Pickering and Grosmont. The carriage, being built in 1930, pre-dated the A4 by a small number of years. One of the highlights was the buffet lunch provided by Marcus Woodcock’s wife, Mags, she of the Eatmore Pudding Club fame, well known in East Yorkshire for such culinary delights.
In true LNERCA tradition, the toilet was not quite finished - but who cared? The carriage has been requested back in Pickering yard to enable the toilet to be finished.
Co-owner, Nick Stringer opened the proceedings and welcomed visitors before handing over to Tim Godfrey. Co-owner Marcus Woodcock then spoke to thank all those who had helped get the carriage where it is today – a far cry from the gutted ‘wreck’ it was when he took it over in 2002.
It has only just been found out when it was withdrawn from passenger service – 1961. This means it had 20 years in Departmental service - as the Riding Van with the Healey Mills breakdown train.
3669 now takes its place in the LNER set – perhaps the greatest shame being that the public has to be let into it. Frankly, the general consensus was that that a supplement should really be charged to travel in this pristine carriage, despite the fact that, when built, it was a ‘bog standard’ Third class carriage!

3669’s entry into service

3669 - A total transformation from the ‘wreck’ Marcus Woodcock took on 13 years ago


The end is in sight for 1623.
No – not its demise – but its completion. With an anticipated completion later this year,  Thompson Third Corridor (TK) 1623 lurches towards that goal.
The springs have just been received back from Owens at Sheffield after overhaul. Seven were found repairable, but the eight had to be renewed. These will now be fitted and the completed bogies swapped with the accommodation bogies presently under 1623.
At the same time, the gangway ends will be lifted into place and secured.
Work is progressing well with another potential ‘show stopper’ - the manufacture of the compartment shoulder lights. A blacksmith in the Midlands is making the new backing plates incorporating a toggle switch and bulb holder, whilst a lampshade manufacturer in Suffolk is specially making the lampshades for which the drawings, photos and switches to which they are attached have been sent. This has taken many months to sort but at long last, optimism prevails.  All this because BR most inconsiderately threw out everything -  luggage racks, seats, lights and one toilet when the carriage was converted for Departmental use with the Civil Engineer.

Rapidly nearing completion is our unique scumbled Thompson Third Corridor 1623

Work starts on ECJS 189
East Coast Joint Stock Restaurant car No. 189 is now drying out nicely in the Atkins building at Pickering and a start made on stripping what needs stripping.  The major problem being addressed is to ascertain why the clerestory roof sags slightly. Already, much wood has been procured to enable the roof to be renovated to the required standard.
The roof cornice which traps the roof canvas is being removed as a new canvas will eventually be refitted. This cornice runs around the entire circumference of the carriage at the top of the body.
Another problem being rectified entails removing internal paneling to gain access to the glue blocks. Unfortunately, whoever put these on previously used the incorrect glue type. So, they are all being replaced using the correct type of glue, ensuring that they will remain in place to do their intended job – holding on the teak panels. Local school parties have already visited the unique carriage as part of the educational and interpretative elements sought by the Heritage Lottery Fund.
It’s hard to believe this carriage, built in 1894, was withdrawn as long ago as 1929 and then survived for decades on a pig farm at Holme on Spalding Moor.

Fish Van latest
Once the bogies for Thompson TK 1623 are finished and placed under the carriage, it is intended to move the 1948-built Fish Van, the last complete survivor, to Pickering yard to enable our coded welder to resume work. Then, once the LMS brakevan is finished by the Pickering Wagon Group, there will then be room in the Atkins building to move E75169. This is because ECJS 189 is only 51’6” long, leaving space for two wagons – the Esso tank wagon, the present major project by the PWG, and our Fish Van.
The completion of the Fish Van has significant repercussions, because it will allow many of the major spares we hold to be housed inside it, such as spare gangway ends. This, in turn, will free up space in the workshop at High Mill.

Coach Week
The first of our two Coach Weeks takes place in the last week in May (25th-29th) with both weekends either side thrown in. There is plenty going on finishing 3669, 1623 and on-going work with 189. A warm welcome (and tea and cake) awaits anyone who would like to pop in – even for just a day to see if you enjoy the experience. We can be found in the Atkins building adjacent to the car park at Pickering station (over High Mill crossing, 100 yards past the station itself).
For more details, contact Murray Brown tel. 01733 578000.


On-line fund-raising schemes

We have just launched several new schemes to help raise restoration funds on-line for the LNER Carriage Association on-line, with just few extra clicks. The new on-line fund raising schemes consist of two web shopping portals and two search engine schemes, and by using these schemes you can help raise money for us, without it costing you a penny!

Shopping Portals

The two shopping portals are buy.at and easyfundraising.co.uk. If you shop on-line, using either of these portals, then for every purchase you make, we receive commission on that purchase, whilst you pay the same amount as you would have, if you had made the purchase direct!

On-line shops available through the Buy At scheme include Amazon, Asda, CD Wow, E.on, Hertz, Ikea, More Than, National Lottery, Premier Inn, and many more. The complete list of participating stores, and what commission they offer, can be viewed on the site. This scheme doesn't even require you to register, all you have to do is go to http://buy.at/lnerca , and start shopping!!

On-line shops available through the Easyfundraising scheme include AA Travel Insurance, Argos, Blockbuster, iTunes, More Than, The Trainline, Thomas Cook, WH Smiths and Wickes. The complete list of participating stores can be viewed here . To use this scheme, you do need to register first, a process that only takes a few minutes and can be done here .

Search Engine Schemes

The two search engine schemes are www.everyclick.com and www.easysearch.org.uk . These schemes work by the web company donating some of the money they receive from advertising fees, for each search that is completed using the search portal.

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